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#91620 - 09/25/06 12:45 PM Enbrel kids
EthansMom Offline
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Hi guys,

My 11-year-old just started the Enbrel injections a few weeks ago. His last shot, this last Thursday, produced and uncharacteristic hyteria in him that was really upsetting. He ran, he cried, he screamed... he says the injection hurts SO bad. (It's the once a week 50mg injection). We had to practically hold him down and it was awful... I cried right along with him. He says its not the needle that hurts, but the medicine going in... that it stings SO badly.

I called the nurse at his rheumy's office and she says yes, they are very painful (she equivalated it to 10 bee stings), and says that the 25mg twice a week is a lot less painful. She, herself takes the injections and said she had to go to the 25mg twice a week dosage because of the pain of the 50mg injection. (Why didn't they just prescribe the 25mg to begin with???) He has to use up the next two 50mg injections, and I am so fearful of a repeat of the hysteria... I know he is too.

Does anyone have any experience with this with their children? He usually has an incredibly high pain threshold... when he got his childhood immunizations, he didn't even FLINCH -- He WATCHED them do it and did not even bat an eye. He is the same when they do his bloodwork each month, but I guess this is very different.

Please post if you can provide your experience with this with your child on Enbrel... I don't know how on EARTH we are going to get those next two 50mg shots into him... I've never seen him so upset... \:\(
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#91621 - 09/25/06 03:36 PM Re: Enbrel kids
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My husband is 35 and hates doing the shots. He says they hurt like no tomorrow. He doesn't scream, but close to it.

The 25mg shot was the first available, and it is not premixed. The 50's you just pull out of the fridge and are ready to go. The 25mg you have to mix and swirl and make sure everything dissolves. Kind of a pain, but much less painful ;\)

Are you letting it set out for about 15 minutes before injecting? That may help. I'm not quite sure, but I think it's the preservatives that cause the stinging sensation.

It would be kind of cruel, but could you inject him when he's asleep? Of course he'd wake up, but at least he wouldn't have the awful anxiety of knowing the shot is coming.

If you don't get many more responses, please repost this on the general forum. You'll get more replies.

Sarah
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#91622 - 09/25/06 03:44 PM Re: Enbrel kids
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One piece of advice worth trying.....Call the number on the box for Enliven Services, and tell them of your dilemma, they may be able to replace those two shots for the 25mg ones.

They have replaced for my husband on a few occasions, one time he couldn't get it to dissolve properly, and another time they were delivered and weren't cold by the time we received them. It's worth a try. The people who work there are pretty nice and helpful. They may be able to give you suggestions to make it less painful for your son too.

Sorry I suggested injecting while he's asleep. Reading it back, it does sound too cruel. I would probably try it once on my kids if I had to though. If they woke up, I wouldn't do it again. But maybe I'm just a cruel mother, I don't know ;\)

Sarah
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#91623 - 09/27/06 05:01 AM Re: Enbrel kids
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I hate to say this, but my 18 year old son endured that 50 mg shot for 1 1/2 years after using the 25 mg shots for several years. He is a big guy with a very high pain threshhold and the 50 mg shot would put him on the floor. Nothing made it better. Add to that, for him, Enbrel did not help a lot. It helped a bit. But, after 1 1/2 years he decided he would never take the shot again. We believe he is certainly old enough to make his own decisions about this. He spoke to his ped. rheumy who said it might not be a bad thing to stop it since it had not given him the relief we had all hoped it would. So, all I can tell you is go for the 25 mg shots. They aren't great, but they aren't terrible. Enbrel has denied on several occasions that the new shot is that much more painful. They should listen to the patients. Oh, also, your son says exactly what my son said, it isn't the needle, it is the medicine going in. His doctor says there is something in the solution that is causing the pain.
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#91624 - 09/27/06 03:57 PM Re: Enbrel kids
EthansMom Offline
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Hi guys... thank you so much for replying. My son will be glad to know that grown men have a hard time with the 50mg shot! He'll be glad to know its not just him! Thank you also for the suggestion to call Enliven... I will do that. I don't want to inject him while he sleeps because that will make him have anxiety about going to sleep after that and he struggles enough to get a good night's sleep. I know you were trying to help though... \:\) Thank you!
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#91625 - 10/21/06 07:38 PM Re: Enbrel kids
jodylin26 Offline
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Registered: 01/17/06
Posts: 8
Loc: florida
 Quote:
Originally posted by EthansMom:
Hi guys,

My 11-year-old just started the Enbrel injections a few weeks ago. His last shot, this last Thursday, produced and uncharacteristic hyteria in him that was really upsetting. He ran, he cried, he screamed... he says the injection hurts SO bad. (It's the once a week 50mg injection). We had to practically hold him down and it was awful... I cried right along with him. He says its not the needle that hurts, but the medicine going in... that it stings SO badly.

I called the nurse at his rheumy's office and she says yes, they are very painful (she equivalated it to 10 bee stings), and says that the 25mg twice a week is a lot less painful. She, herself takes the injections and said she had to go to the 25mg twice a week dosage because of the pain of the 50mg injection. (Why didn't they just prescribe the 25mg to begin with???) He has to use up the next two 50mg injections, and I am so fearful of a repeat of the hysteria... I know he is too.

Does anyone have any experience with this with their children? He usually has an incredibly high pain threshold... when he got his childhood immunizations, he didn't even FLINCH -- He WATCHED them do it and did not even bat an eye. He is the same when they do his bloodwork each month, but I guess this is very different.

Please post if you can provide your experience with this with your child on Enbrel... I don't know how on EARTH we are going to get those next two 50mg shots into him... I've never seen him so upset... \:\(
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#91626 - 10/21/06 07:44 PM Re: Enbrel kids
jodylin26 Offline
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to Ethan's mom....sorry about the other post...i pressed something by accident and quoted your post.

I felt your pain regarding your 11-year old....My daughter is 14 and I refused to give her Humira or Enbrel. She has been on methotrexate and relafen. however, on my last visit, i broke it to the ped rhum that i was taking her off the methotrexate. i have an aunt who died recently after years of medication and kidney dialysis. the side affects worry me to death for a 14-year old....i am going to put her on a multi vitamin and keep her on the relafen.

My daughter tested positive for the hlab27 gene but the mri of her sacroiliac joint was negative.
i don't know what that means, but the athritis is in both of her heels and i hate to see her in pain. when she's running around playing with her friends, and her mind's not on her condition, she's fine....until she walks in the door.....

What does your son have?

Jody
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#108308 - 04/13/08 04:16 PM Re: Enbrel kids [Re: jodylin26]
Stuppski Offline
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I am a 14 year old 'enbrel kid'. Just started it after 5 years of pain and 4 of medication (was just diagonsed without a doubt recetly however). The first shot was pretty painful, the next was a bit better and well, only had two so far. It seems to be worth the ten seconds of pain for all the releif. That also seems to be so for your son. Obviously you both want the experiance to be as painless as possible, but there will likely be some regardless. I would look into other application methods. I know theres like this sure click thing (what I use) and a regular needle. Maybe experiment with the other type.
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#108317 - 04/13/08 07:06 PM Re: Enbrel kids [Re: Stuppski]
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For a 14 year old you seem quite informed about your potential treatment options(and equally able to express yourself without having to resort to "dope, cool, awesome, etc." every two seconds). Frankly I'm impressed. Make sure you keep that mindset, you are the best possible advocate for your health possible since you understand exactly what you're going through.
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#108379 - 04/14/08 02:52 PM Re: Enbrel kids [Re: Mr. Unstoppable]
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Thanks for the compliments =D. I agree with you on keeping your mindset on the positive. You know if something is wrong with you and only you really know when your feeling better or worse. Trust yerself. (I had to do this alot as my diagnosis was a five year process).
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